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what's up everybody

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welcome to witness citizen i'm your host

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sean rash

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and with me today is our very special

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co-host mr j christopher king how are

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you sir

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i'm doing great how are you doing today

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it's wonderful to see you

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wonderful thank you virtually see you as

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well

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oh man it's always great to virtually

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see you it's great to really see you

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it's

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i'll even take you pawing at me like uh

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anyway i can get you i'll take it for

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sure

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yeah that's really sweet of you

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yeah we uh gosh we had the we had last

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week off

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and what to say

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it was a little summer break which was

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great are you crying you crying already

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yeah that was really that was really

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i missed you i'm just not used to that

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right

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i was scared you wouldn't come back but

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then you came back no it's great

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yeah i'm glad to have you we're going to

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have a great show uh we're looking at

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some pretty cool pictures from uh the

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universe

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and we're we're going to talk about um

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the recent ndaa

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language uh for the uap stuff in

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immunity uh language and see what that

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looks like and we're gonna bring out

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some experts for that with katie holland

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and christopher sharp they're gonna come

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in at uh in about a half hour so and and

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you know take us to school on that

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language and and we'll get into that

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and before that we'll

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you know talk shop about uh the universe

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yeah absolutely i mean this has been a

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really wild week and um it's it's

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interesting because you know within the

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field of

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uh anomalous studies exopolitics uh uap

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issues ufos all this stuff we really

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kind of have to run the gamut right

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because you're dealing with everything

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you know metallurgy uh to astrophysics

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it's it's a it's a great field if you

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really like being a generalist

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right yeah um a renaissance man or a

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renaissance man like yourself

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and uh and today we're going to kind of

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go through from kind of galactic

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intrigue uh to

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the world of uh dc and political

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intrigue and we're gonna start i guess

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with some uh some galactic intrigue if

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you'd like does that sound good to you

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i mean look at that stuff you know

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you know this we're looking at to just

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frame things up here we're we're really

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this week for those of you that uh

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didn't look at the front page of the new

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york times today or whatever paper is of

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your choice or

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media sources the milwaukee journal

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sentinel that's right that's right

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now that's that's sean's paper for those

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i have choice but

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so the james webb telescope this has

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been a huge project this is the largest

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and most powerful observatory ever put

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into space

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thousands of people worked on this for

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at one point the number 20 000 was

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thrown out by the senior scientist that

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in the 20 plus years of this project so

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far 20 000 people have worked on it

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it was primarily developed at the

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goddard space flight center in greenbelt

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that regarding the james webb telescope

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sorry to interrupt from what i hear

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they're gonna be

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pushing out pictures almost once a week

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this one or whatever but i mean this was

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the first release so but um and they

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kept stressing the fact and in all their

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uh speeches and all their you know

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introductory uh conversations and

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everything that this is just the

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beginning as well so it's important to

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keep in mind because people see this and

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you know they're like oh okay and then

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they move on with their life but this is

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be done with the james telescope so i

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not only continuing to look at these

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pictures but to see what's next

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absolutely absolutely completely agreed

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so this picture that you're showing

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right now is it was the first picture

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that they revealed uh the deep field

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picture um which is just an amazingly

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computer right and so this one was the

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first one released was released on

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there was an event on monday where we

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had nasa administrator bill nielsen who

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you're a big fan of and i am as well

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he's a real folksy guy that seems like

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he he's he's

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he's honest about transparency efforts

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as more than more so than we've often

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got in the past from nasa administrators

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uh also president joe biden and vice

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president kamala harris were there and

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they were releasing this very first

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photo to the public from the james webb

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telescope did you did you happen to

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catch that event sean what'd you think

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of it when you saw it it was uh it was

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first of all they were so late

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it was just so short it was here and

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my favorite thing was what uh

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president biden said at the end when he

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inquired about what the press would be

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like in the other planets

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very interesting and then you could

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uh the other people like bill nelson and

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the other people there like didn't say

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not ready you don't know how far people

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when you followed you will take this

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don't do it

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absolutely absolutely but no but but it

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was great um although just really fast

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and and late you know so it reminds me

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of like you're invited to a dinner party

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and you show up

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you know an hour late

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right you show up just when they're

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serving the food you sit down you eat

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you finish maybe you're fast eater

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you're done in five ten minutes then

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you're like well i gotta go

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we've been and we probably as viewers um

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and as enthusiasts in the field probably

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a lot of us i was looking at the

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anticipation on twitter and other places

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online on the experiencer group and

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stuff like that and people are like

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what's it going to be what's it and i

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feel like a lot of us thought

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that we were it was almost like we'd

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slaved away in the kitchen all day

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anticipating the guests to arrive and

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then they showed up late right right but

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we did get this really cool photo out of

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it right the guest is so cool though

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that it doesn't matter right like the

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photo yeah yeah

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yeah yeah yeah it's like i don't know

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who that cool thing you know paul

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stanley from kiss could be anybody i'm

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just playing for fun

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it doesn't matter because they're that

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goal and you're just thankful that's

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so um so this first image that was

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now part of the point of this image

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being released as i put it yesterday or

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two days ago is that the image is

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teeming with galaxies that everywhere we

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point in there i mean those though the

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majority of what we're seeing in there

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are not stars those are whole galaxies

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like that one right there and so um you

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know each galaxy a rough estimate for

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how many stars would be in a galaxy

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kind of piece of data just on the face

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that first day this deep field image is

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equivalent to the amount of space we'd

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view from here on earth if you took one

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grain of sand and stuck it out at arm's

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level length that would be the amount of

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kind of the sky that it would cover

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and it's so tiny right i mean i

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seriously think about that can you even

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go to a beach and pick up only one grain

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of sand it's incredibly difficult like

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really try and then if you do that you

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could probably barely see it on your

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that's this and there's like what a

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thousand galaxies in here i heard like a

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rough number about that

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how many are in there and i i'm sure i

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get the number wrong but it's

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astonishing and i think from from what i

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heard from

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the

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stars that are in our

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our um galaxy in the milky way and we're

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kind of looking through them yeah and

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they kind of let the lens flare sit

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there so that you can have an ace

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because it's pretty and b

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um so that you have a rough estimate i

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guess of distance and looking out into

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the deep beyond over there we're not

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alone i just have to say it i mean

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i think it's almost like impossible

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to be alone at this point you know yeah

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like the percentages

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are are not in the favor of being alone

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you know what does that mean what forum

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or what shape does

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does life take i have no freaking clue

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but i can tell you one thing if somebody

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came up to me is like

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i know how much you got in your bank

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account and i want you to bet it all all

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in texas no hold poker

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put all your chips in on life

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i wouldn't even have to think about it i

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mean there's

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so many

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you know if if we were alone the the

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miracle of that would do like i can't

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even comprehend that that'd be harder

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than winning like a million powerballs

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in your lifetime yeah absolutely yeah

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i totally agree you know and and it was

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really heartening and beautiful to see

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after this photo was released seeing it

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kind of pop up and p and people

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retweeting it and seeing everybody from

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like professional athletes too i saw um

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uh america's sweetheart henry winkler uh

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the fonz also of the wonderful

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hit murder comedy barry which i love um

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and um

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he's a great fisherman too i mean henry

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winkler he's got it all a lot of people

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don't know that yeah he looks like a

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good hugger as well which i appreciate

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but anyway you know he was like his line

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was like you know i know in my heart

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that we're not alone

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and um

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and something interesting about henry

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winkler actually in relation to where

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i'm from

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uh milwaukee

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yeah and it was a big to-do

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and it's called the bronze fonz

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and they put a statue of him that's

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right they put a statue of him

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by the river over here

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really pretty

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it was pretty weird because um i was

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thinking like uh of all the people why

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would you

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show a statue of the bronze fawns by the

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river

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it was pretty weird people would you

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know obviously do weird things to it

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take pictures and stuff i'll just show

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there he is oh wow there he is the font

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he's right there

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now is it life size is it bigger than

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life size or

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that's a good question because i think

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it's life size but if it is he's a

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pretty short guy

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oh he is kind of a short guy yeah i mean

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not you know nothing against you know

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the vertically challenged or whatever

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but i think that he's something like

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five seven or five eight he's a little

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he's you know

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would you think the fonz was that height

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i'm not sure you know what i mean it's

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hard to tell it's always hard to tell on

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tv especially when you like the person

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you always imagine they're a lot taller

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than they are

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yeah yeah and stars you kind of always

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think they're going to be bigger than

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they are some you know or i often did in

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the past yeah i think the only per one

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of the only people that i've seen the

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two people that i think that i've seen

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that actually

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were as big as i thought they were going

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to be were um conan o'brien and thurston

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moore from sonic hughes those are those

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two guys are super super super tall it's

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crazy oh and charcoal

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i thought james lindonly was going to be

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like 8-4 but

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yeah no he's only 7-4 it's crazy right

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weird so the next picture you want to

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move on to the next one sure sure

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um i mean yeah let's see

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there we go okay so let's go to the next

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so this is um

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this

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information from

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uh the hot gas giant exoplanet wasp

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96b rolls right off the tongue right and

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it's rolled out this this data was

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rolled out in the live broadcast by

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representatives from the canadian space

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agency so this we see a graph showing

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the atmospheric conditions that they're

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able to detect with the telescope using

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uh infrared data

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and spectroscopy and they do this by

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waiting for the

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the planet to pass in front of a star

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and then they're able to kind of zoom in

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and look at the kind of like haze around

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the planet's atmosphere and gauge a lot

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from that right and so and what did they

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find here water i mean you see it water

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water water water water right

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water in the atmosphere lots of water

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and cloud formations

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now you know that's an extraordinarily

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good sign in terms of the hunt for

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extraterrestrial life at least as far as

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the kinds of life we're caught we would

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commonly find here on earth and this is

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water that was actually on an

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extraordinarily hot planet

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so it was a little bit of a surprise

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that it would be there it's basically in

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them like mist and there's haze on the

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planet and you know from what i recall

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that's where a lot of the water source

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was coming from the h2o

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but it's just incredible how you know

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how

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um

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common

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water is right and then you add that to

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how common uh i don't know galaxies are

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planets are

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you know all the molecules that make us

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who we are how common they are

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throughout the universe we're not alone

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now it's also awesome because as i

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recall now don't like don't quote me on

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this but i think that this planet is

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about a thousand light years away from

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us i think that's what they said about a

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thousand light years away from us so a

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you know this is

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we would be looking at what was

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happening a thousand years ago

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right because you know the light took

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you know a light year it's you know 100

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000. okay a thousand light years and

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then on top of that

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you know it's amazing that that

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the piece of engineering that like crazy

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paper kite that they put into space

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that's doing all this photography and

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and spectroscopy that it can actually

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detect like clouds in the atmosphere of

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something that that's

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you know this is this is actually kind

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of child's play to it in a way because

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of some of the other data that we're

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picking up from other places um

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which is extraordinary you know what i

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mean

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like um just in our lifetime just in our

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lifetime sean you and i um you know we

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wondered

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if we were going to get data about water

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on mars you know what i mean and here we

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are looking way way way beyond that it's

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super cool

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okay

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it'll be interesting to see you know

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by the end of the year first of all i

448
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think amazing things will will come out

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from this but just like

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within 20 years

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how

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you know

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our knowledge of the universe will

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change as it always does when

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you know we build ourselves a great tool

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like we just did so

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yep

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now

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called the star death photo

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um which is kind of wild because it

461
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looks you know kind of like a beautiful

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serene almost like

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you know it looks a little bit like an

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eye it looks a little bit like a

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firework right

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but um that orange foaminess you see is

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apparently due to the molecular hydrogen

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that's newly formed in the expansion of

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the process of this star while it's

470
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dying all right

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and the blue area is due to hot ionized

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gas that's heated up by the leftover hot

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core of this dying star

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so

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and those there's these little rays that

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you can see kind of like at around like

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nine o'clock or something like that that

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that those kind of like

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um horizontal almost lines that you see

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yeah like over in the left

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um at the left upper part of the photo

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now so those rays

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are um

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uh those are holes in the inner nebula

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that are allowing the central star's

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light to come through kind of like

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patchy clouds letting in rays of our sun

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um

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and so and then in that picture on the

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right which is the near infrared as

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opposed to the infrared view the one

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yeah i'm learning all about infrared

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there's mid infrared near infrared

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yeah like

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how many infrareds are there

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i know right and i mean again it gets

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back to what we're talking about at the

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top of the

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show which is

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you know it's it's this is a great field

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if you want to be a generalist or you

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know um

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or for me you know jack of all trades

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master of none right yeah because uh but

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um and i certainly feel like one when

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whenever i'm walking into a situation

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like this and prepping for a show like

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today and i'm like i realize how little

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i know about astronomy right i know

510
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they're less than you even

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but like on the right with this

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near-infrared they were able to say they

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were able to figure out if you zoom in

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there you can see that it's actually a

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binary star system so

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so on the left you know with infrared

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you know there's just a big a big haze

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in the middle and then with this near

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infrared in the right you can see that

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there are two dots in the middle so it's

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actually a binary star system and and

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that's what's what's uh kind of eating

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itself right there in this photo

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which is super super wild

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um

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now that

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go ahead

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well no i was just gonna say i don't

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want to feel like i'm rushing you i just

530
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want to make sure we get up to all of

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them

532
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no this is great this is great yeah i'm

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checking the time and i know that we've

534
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got some wonderful guests coming in here

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in about eight minutes or so now this

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this is what's called stefan's quintet

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this was rolled out by representatives

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from the european space agency in

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germany now this is a photo with five

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large galaxies in the foreground there's

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this one kind of classic looking galaxy

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on the left and then on the right that

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kind of kidney bean shape is actually

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four kind of like slightly overlapping

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um galaxies all jammed up on top of each

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other basically right um now in each

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galaxy a very conservative estimate

548
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,039
would be that there are a few billion

549
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within a particular dwarf galaxies and

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perhaps 100 to 400 billion stars in a

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larger galaxy

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you know the mind really boggles at

553
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,120
those kinds of numbers right so

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right so in this image

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so i hope that doesn't happen in the

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milky way that's all right so in this

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image it's not unlikely at all that

558
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there would be more than

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that there would be you know

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it's not unlikely that there are two or

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three trillion stars like within the

562
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,679
field of view here

563
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:19,679
almost all of which likely have planets

564
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:22,240
around them all right we're not alone

565
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,110
yeah the four on the right are about 300

566
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:31,919
million light years from us

567
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,960
300 million light years

568
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,960
um so what we're looking at with them

569
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:39,360
again is what was going on there 300

570
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,159
million years ago now for reference

571
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:44,159
alligators are some of the oldest larger

572
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:46,240
animals that exist on our planet and the

573
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:47,679
first alligator

574
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,440
ancestors evolved some 245 million years

575
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:53,760
ago so what we're seeing in this picture

576
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:55,360
that was just taken

577
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,559
um is you know what was happening 300

578
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,799
million light years away from us

579
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:02,640
from before the time that alligators

580
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:05,200
existed so

581
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,880
this could possibly look different by

582
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:09,440
now right yeah for sure

583
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,640
for sure

584
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,559
right how do we know

585
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,159
i mean they could be it could be are

586
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,720
they even there anymore right well not

587
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,400
only that but like the whole place could

588
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,720
be like occup you know like even at this

589
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,200
view you we don't know like how occupied

590
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,200
that area could be right

591
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,280
and like now you know it could

592
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:29,360
it it could have

593
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,840
whatever the population might be there

594
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:33,919
of advanced civilizations just you know

595
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:37,120
as as a mental exercise you know that

596
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:38,960
those people could have like

597
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,440
lived and died you know hundreds of

598
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,760
times over you know what i mean like you

599
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:45,840
know like just think of our civilization

600
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:48,320
or what we think of as

601
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,520
as the the relevant time period of of

602
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,960
human progress

603
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:54,720
and then and then

604
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,000
jam you know divide that into 300

605
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,320
million years it's it's crazy to look

606
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:01,600
it's incredible

607
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,880
think about those

608
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,799
the that kind of time frame

609
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:06,080
in

610
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:12,720
um bill nelson said it best when he said

611
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:15,279
there are no words just

612
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,410
wow

613
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,640
[Laughter]

614
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,240
absolutely

615
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:21,760
he's got he's got away with those no

616
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,669
this is it seems like the the favorite

617
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,279
amongst people are paying attention to

618
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:31,360
this and looking at this stuff

619
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:34,640
and you know you can see why it's

620
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,760
very beautiful and

621
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:39,679
there's so many different things to look

622
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,480
at

623
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,559
um and this is uh

624
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,400
the birth of a star

625
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,080
right that's right well it's actually

626
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,799
the karina nebula and so that whole kind

627
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,159
of haze

628
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,640
yeah no but yeah no it's true um and

629
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:54,320
they called it star birth but it's queen

630
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:56,960
and nebula so you actually see many

631
00:25:02,630 --> 00:24:59,679
hundreds of star like probably

632
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:02,640
you know many many stars forming in that

633
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:03,440
kind of

634
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:06,640
thirds of the picture not just one

635
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,679
incredible

636
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:09,679
which is astonishing right and this is

637
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:12,840
actually 7 600 light years away but it's

638
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,440
still with oh that's it our own galaxy

639
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:17,600
yeah it's still within our own milky way

640
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,029
it's less impressive now that you know

641
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,960
that yeah it's like oh it's practically

642
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,720
our neighbor

643
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:28,799
but it's crazy to think that even within

644
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:31,520
our own galaxy like stars would be you

645
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:35,919
know created now or 7 600 years ago when

646
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,559
basically which is what this photo is

647
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:41,520
kind of referencing right at least yeah

648
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:48,230
like a wave like the ocean

649
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,360
right

650
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:52,000
it's it's uh but it's pretty beautiful i

651
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,440
i mean i wonder what it'd be like to

652
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,120
just be

653
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,720
in that

654
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:59,279
right inside of that just looking at it

655
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:01,520
one thing i wonder is

656
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:04,159
are these the actual colors

657
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,120
um

658
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:07,760
no they're not i didn't think so

659
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:10,159
yeah they i mean at one point during the

660
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:11,520
broadcast they showed a couple of the

661
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,080
people that work on the colors and

662
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:16,320
you know they they were they took pains

663
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,799
to say you know this is a combination of

664
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,919
them

665
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:21,840
trying to

666
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:26,240
that you can see different elements

667
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:27,360
within

668
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,760
and aesthetics and so they're kind of

669
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,760
shipped we gotta get those out

670
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:35,279
yeah yeah definitely gotta get the

671
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,799
spaceship yeah

672
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,799
you know if there's any if there's any

673
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:41,120
et's that are waving in the frame

674
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:42,640
motherships or anything like that that's

675
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,600
gotta make it

676
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,080
flipping you off we gotta airbrush that

677
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:47,919
right yeah the two people that they

678
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,159
showed that that kind of helped scrub

679
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,400
the images they seemed really nice you

680
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,080
know they seemed like artistic nice

681
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,320
people so you know maybe there's

682
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,480
you know who who knows

683
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,400
sorry if to anybody in the chat you know

684
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,919
we're definitely going to be doing a

685
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,360
little bit of specu

686
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:05,120
it's it's important right there's this

687
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,880
thing where it's kind of funny you know

688
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:08,640
we're used to

689
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,520
uh nasa within ufology is kind of like

690
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,760
never a straight answer right we talk

691
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,600
about them that way and you know there's

692
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:17,360
a lot of frustration because they're a

693
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:19,840
public-facing agency that uses tax money

694
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,559
and whatnot and at the same time

695
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:24,480
you know there's that there have been

696
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,039
hampered transparency efforts then there

697
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:29,760
are days like this week where

698
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:33,520
we definitely get our our money's worth

699
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,399
out of them seemingly and

700
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,240
to cap it off as we have a wonderful

701
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:40,880
guest in in the green room drinking pbr

702
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,080
towel boys waiting for the show to start

703
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,389
what a

704
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,120
crap show that presentation was as far

705
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,159
as the like logistics of it

706
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,080
like and at the end she was all like

707
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,840
thanking her producers and i was like

708
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,360
that's the last thank you you guys are

709
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,000
getting you're getting fired after this

710
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:04,720
because that was terrible

711
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:07,120
like that poor lady host was like and

712
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:08,720
now we're gonna go over here and she's

713
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:10,880
like well maybe not this time and just

714
00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:11,760
get my

715
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:14,840
just kept smiling as nothing worked

716
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,120
yeah michelle thawler i think was her

717
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:19,120
name and she i mean she did an admiral

718
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,960
job rolling with the punches i don't

719
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:23,120
know you know like i at the very least

720
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,880
that audio like whoever that was the

721
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,559
audio supervisor i hope he's not

722
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,120
listening right now or she um because

723
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:31,840
there are a lot of audio flubs in there

724
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:34,559
you know the the the fact that like

725
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:37,520
they had so much satellite

726
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,720
convo

727
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,720
like kind of baked into the script but

728
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:42,399
it seemed like they hadn't workshopped

729
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,600
the fact that there was going to be like

730
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:45,919
about a 15 second lag time or something

731
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:48,159
like that could you imagine if that was

732
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:51,760
uh you know that was the time they were

733
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,159
going to disclose that there's other

734
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:56,320
life in the universe and and that's how

735
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,520
it went

736
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,520
it's it's a nightmare

737
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:01,760
it's also funny because like you know

738
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,000
we're doing essentially like a satellite

739
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,159
broadcast right now you know what i mean

740
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,840
and it's just like like you guys could

741
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,679
have just used stream yard it's not it's

742
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,120
not the most difficult thing in the

743
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,440
world it's okay you know you're just

744
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:15,440
pushing it out on youtube anyway but you

745
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,559
know hey yeah

746
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,960
you know hopefully

747
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,559
yeah exactly hopefully over the course

748
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:22,320
of the next weeks they'll figure out

749
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,440
their format

750
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:25,919
um but anyway it was kind of funny at

751
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,200
times hey thanks for going over uh those

752
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,200
photos bringing some great points to

753
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,960
each one i really appreciate that i

754
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,640
think those were beautiful i can't wait

755
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,080
to get more

756
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,720
um for sure my biggest takeaway from

757
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:40,399
these was we're

758
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:43,120
you know we're just we're just not

759
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,039
freaking alone and we knew

760
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:49,120
a lot of this stuff already right how

761
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,640
big the the universe is and all that and

762
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:54,720
um that there's a lot of galaxies and so

763
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:57,039
much opportunity for life to to be there

764
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:00,080
but it's just uh what when you see

765
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,520
the image you know it's it's uh it's

766
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,120
breathtaking

767
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,080
it really is so it's really astonishing

768
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:10,880
um i've got a couple of quick bios for

769
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:11,760
for

770
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,480
our wonderful guests bio it up man

771
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:19,350
as an award-winning humanitarian with

772
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,200
experience managing programs related to

773
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:23,919
genocide response childhood literacy and

774
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:26,799
global health across the middle east and

775
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,000
sub-saharan africa and increasingly she

776
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,120
is involved in uap transparency efforts

777
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,480
uh christopher sharpe is the editor in

778
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:39,200
chief of liberation times and he's a

779
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:42,320
senior contributing writer for

780
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:49,269
so chris hey

781
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,880
and katie hey there it is absolutely

782
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,480
wonderful to see you

783
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,480
great to see you guys

784
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:58,320
how are you

785
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,200
chris

786
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,960
oh i'm awful no i'm just kidding i'm

787
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:05,200
doing great i'm anytime i can chat with

788
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,519
you guys i'm happy so nice to finally

789
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,600
meet chris

790
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,360
that's our person

791
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:12,880
i think it's the first time you guys

792
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,679
have

793
00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:15,519
interacted at least in in this kind of a

794
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:16,840
format

795
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:19,760
right yeah i think so yeah it's the

796
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,760
first time that we've um chatted by

797
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,320
video we've dm'd a few times and you

798
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:26,320
know i've given my support for what

799
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,000
she's doing it's astonishing you know

800
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,799
and it um just shows how far we've come

801
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,880
to get people of her caliber just kind

802
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:34,640
of supporting us and

803
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,279
yeah i'm just so glad that we're

804
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,279
that we got you on board do you want to

805
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:41,039
follow me around in my day-to-day life

806
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:42,159
because i'll

807
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:47,350
that's a documentary in the making katie

808
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:48,799
you did a

809
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,840
fantastic job with the activism earlier

810
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,440
this week trying to get people to tweet

811
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:55,760
and make phone calls

812
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:56,559
to

813
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:59,600
uh the correct people regarding the ndaa

814
00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:00,399
language

815
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,760
you want to tell us give us a little

816
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,080
breakdown what inspired that and how it

817
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:05,919
went for you

818
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,399
yeah um i was

819
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,360
fallen told into it

820
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,200
i don't i don't know their actual names

821
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,440
if you're watching i'm sorry but black

822
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,640
t-y

823
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,559
yeah they called me out and they asked

824
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,320
what i was gonna do about it so i said

825
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:22,399
okay well i guess it's time to do

826
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:23,919
something so i know other people have

827
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:26,720
done advocacy efforts beforehand but i

828
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:28,960
really wanted to oh great i have like

829
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,039
eyeliner coming on my eyelid there

830
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,559
lovely um really wanted to

831
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,480
professionalize it a bit and try to make

832
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:38,000
it a little easier

833
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,519
uh you know for folks because i know it

834
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,600
can be really intimidating so

835
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,360
my goal is just to kind of demystify it

836
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:45,519
make it as painless as possible so i

837
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:46,880
don't know you guys can tell me whether

838
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:49,360
or not i did that um but

839
00:33:28,389 --> 00:32:50,159
i

840
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:28,399
that very much and

841
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,360
so

842
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,960
gracias

843
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,120
and then i don't know

844
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:35,519
as long as i can be helpful i will so

845
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,640
whatever you guys want i'm here speaking

846
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,039
of the ndaa language uh christopher

847
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:43,679
sharp what's your take on it

848
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:44,880
do you think

849
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,480
some people will be getting immunity and

850
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:50,399
uh how do you think that's gonna look do

851
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,360
you think people are going to come

852
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,440
forward and start talking or what

853
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,519
well as my good friend brian bender's

854
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,000
just reported it's um it's just passed

855
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,679
through um

856
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,760
yeah no debate or anything it's just

857
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,960
password

858
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:04,640
just now um

859
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:08,159
about 36 minutes ago so yeah wow

860
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:11,200
it's in there so well done i don't know

861
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,399
congratulations like oh wow

862
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,240
thank you but this is not because of me

863
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,639
i will happily take the credit if you're

864
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,720
giving it but

865
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,240
we'll just hand it to you we'll just

866
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,639
give it to you or why not

867
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:26,639
they should they should probably rename

868
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:34,230
well that's pretty awesome that it just

869
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:35,919
got past like that no debate or anything

870
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,079
and i feel like a lot of these

871
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,320
uh this uh when this happens and

872
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,639
language comes around in the nda it kind

873
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:44,159
of

874
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,599
happens that way

875
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:47,760
doesn't it

876
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:51,440
yeah so i mean what's gonna happen is um

877
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,879
so i mean i'm waiting for the senate

878
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,040
to um to come up with language i

879
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:58,960
remember this time last year around

880
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:01,119
about this time last year gallego um

881
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,480
came up with a bill for a uap office of

882
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:06,560
sorts and then

883
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:09,440
came the gila brand amendment

884
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,760
and uh it was just like

885
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:13,760
it was just amazing so

886
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:15,440
i'm gonna i'm gonna wait until the

887
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:18,400
senate um comes up with language

888
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,000
um to see what it's got and um yeah that

889
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:23,920
that should be pretty exciting as well

890
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:26,800
um should they have language on uap um

891
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:29,920
and immunity um so i'm watching out for

892
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,560
that at the moment and then obviously

893
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,720
i mean these bills usually get passed

894
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:36,880
around about december i think last time

895
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:39,280
was passed around december by joe biden

896
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,839
it was signed by um

897
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,200
and then around

898
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,599
november and december the house and the

899
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:47,680
senate have to come together

900
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:50,240
and um kind of like put their language

901
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:51,760
together and say okay this is going to

902
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,839
be one bill with both our language

903
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:57,520
and we're going to choose the best parts

904
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:58,400
of

905
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,119
the house and the senate um so yeah that

906
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,040
so there's there's exciting times ahead

907
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,839
let's say um and yeah on the music it's

908
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:07,520
going to be great so it's going to it's

909
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:10,800
going to provide a secure channel um for

910
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,359
people with knowledge let's say um on

911
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:15,680
classified programs past legal illegal

912
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,440
programs to come forward um to aoi msg

913
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:21,359
as it's called currently it may soon

914
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:26,790
and um

915
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,240
and then yeah then there'll be a way for

916
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:32,400
that information to go to

917
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,680
um

918
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,760
let's say

919
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,920
politicians on key committees or in key

920
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,280
positions

921
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:41,280
such as gang of eight for instance

922
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,160
um

923
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,079
and that's gonna be really exciting the

924
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:46,240
only question i have is terms of

925
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:49,280
how is that information going to become

926
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:50,560
public

927
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,680
um

928
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,520
that's the one thing and from my

929
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,040
understanding

930
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,359
um yes you may be able to

931
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,000
provide protections

932
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,640
so you don't get in jail on stuff but i

933
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:05,119
think some people may still be a little

934
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:06,560
bit nervous about losing some of their

935
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:09,040
clearances if especially

936
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,480
they can do it via the classified

937
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:12,400
channel secure channels fine but if

938
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:13,680
you're going to speak up in a public

939
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,720
hearing

940
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,880
there may be that fear

941
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:18,240
however

942
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:20,000
i expect

943
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,440
people who retired from such programs

944
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,119
may be more willing to do so because

945
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,280
look okay

946
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:28,880
you know you're retired who cares if you

947
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,800
lose your clearance you know you you've

948
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,440
done a great public service katie you

949
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,200
may have different thoughts on that um

950
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,440
yeah unfortunately there's a lot of

951
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,440
money behind keeping that even after

952
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:40,800
you've retired

953
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:43,040
in the private sector

954
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:44,240
i have a

955
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:45,520
colleague who

956
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,720
i got a six-figure bump for keeping a

957
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,320
certain level clearance while in the

958
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:52,560
while in the private sector so

959
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:53,520
um

960
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,640
there's a really big financial

961
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:55,920
disincentive

962
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,680
you know not to so let's hope that we

963
00:38:02,630 --> 00:37:59,440
have some patriots who are

964
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,640
willing to kind of put that aside um it

965
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:04,320
also depends on if they're still if

966
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:05,599
they're retired from the government or

967
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,480
if they're retired from work period

968
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,560
so fingers crossed there

969
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,400
very interesting

970
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:14,400
jay do you have any uh thoughts or

971
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,359
questions

972
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:17,359
oh yeah i was just going to ask if if

973
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,480
there was

974
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,359
chris did a great job of of kind of um

975
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,839
laying out some of the the structure of

976
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:25,680
what we can anticipate as far as the

977
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,640
timeline from here towards like november

978
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,440
and december and further on from there

979
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:33,359
um katie would you like to

980
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,119
kind of color in the lines further in

981
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:37,920
terms of what um we and the audience can

982
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:40,160
expect with regards to

983
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:43,920
to the the the defense uh bill and

984
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:46,400
appropriations and uh specifically this

985
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,520
amendment how long you got that jay i

986
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:51,040
mean do you want to hear how things

987
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,880
should go yeah or how things do go

988
00:38:58,829 --> 00:38:57,119
and when i just play this game game

989
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:58,839
every single

990
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,599
option you will be here for a long time

991
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:03,359
uh yeah so

992
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:05,119
it's a complicated process and it's

993
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,720
important to understand

994
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,800
at you know in broad strokes how this

995
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,160
works because

996
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:11,760
there are going to be key times where

997
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,480
you're called to do more advocacy and

998
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,160
it's not that we're

999
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,000
redundant and asking for the same things

1000
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,400
over and over again there really are new

1001
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:22,560
movement points as chris mentioned this

1002
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:25,280
is just the house version of the ndaa so

1003
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,800
the senate will pass their version and

1004
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:28,640
then they conference the two and then

1005
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,520
that goes to the president's desk

1006
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:34,320
what i do see a lot is confusion between

1007
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,760
author authorizations and appropriations

1008
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,680
um and essentially you can think of

1009
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,520
authorizations as permission to spend

1010
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,000
money appropriations as actually giving

1011
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,400
the money right so an authorizations

1012
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,560
bill which is the ndaa

1013
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,440
um we'll establish new offices we'll set

1014
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,680
new rules we'll

1015
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,280
kind of set the parameters of what they

1016
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,200
want to spend money on

1017
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,800
but none of that matters if there's no

1018
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,960
teeth behind it in appropriations bills

1019
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,480
so

1020
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:05,440
what's really interesting this year

1021
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:06,640
is

1022
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,720
it follows logically that you would want

1023
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:10,880
authorizations to proceed appropriations

1024
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,119
right because what if you say you want a

1025
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,200
new uap office well you better want some

1026
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:17,280
money so you can hire staff to run it

1027
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,839
right um right now we're in this weird

1028
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:21,359
position where the house has already

1029
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:22,880
passed their appropriations bill for

1030
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,079
defense um even though we haven't passed

1031
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,200
the ndaa yet um or it looks like maybe

1032
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,119
we have passed it i don't know if it was

1033
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,720
just certain

1034
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:34,240
amendments that were voted on chris if

1035
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:36,880
it was the whole the whole thing um

1036
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:39,280
but they're kind of doing the processes

1037
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,160
simultaneously so all that to say

1038
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:44,079
we're going to have a long process ahead

1039
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:44,960
of us

1040
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:47,119
and getting the ndaa final version

1041
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:48,800
passed but we also want to keep an eye

1042
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,280
on the money as well um because that

1043
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,440
probably won't have a huge impact on

1044
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:55,680
this i suspect but it might have a big

1045
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,950
you know

1046
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,880
robert covert in the chatter brings up a

1047
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,800
good point i don't see how we can expect

1048
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:06,480
these people to give up their clearances

1049
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,190
and that's pretty

1050
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,200
that's pretty spot on but i guess i

1051
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:18,000
would go back to you know the

1052
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:20,640
idea that you brought up is maybe

1053
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,920
they're retired

1054
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:23,359
you know something like that maybe they

1055
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,560
don't need it

1056
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:26,480
maybe they're just a good freaking

1057
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:33,430
or maybe they have like

1058
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,079
40 lucrative patents under the name like

1059
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,079
carrying in like they could just do

1060
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,079
whatever regardless right i'm kind of

1061
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,560
already millionaire but

1062
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:44,160
well it's important to remember when

1063
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,839
we're talking about losing clearances

1064
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:47,200
that you can lose your clearance for

1065
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,560
things that are legal

1066
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,119
um so for example

1067
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,960
if you fi if

1068
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,880
well sure but even if you've like filed

1069
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,319
bankruptcy there's something illegal

1070
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,400
about that um a lot of times you will be

1071
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:00,560
able to get a clearance um right because

1072
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,920
you could be turned right the whole

1073
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,599
thing about that is if you have a

1074
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:06,000
weakness that could be used to you know

1075
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,280
turn against

1076
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,520
you know the us or whatever so

1077
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,319
you know a china spy could be like hey

1078
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,160
you're freaking broke man and i know it

1079
00:42:18,490 --> 00:42:16,400
i'll give you 20 million dollars to just

1080
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,500
tell me what's in that box over there

1081
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,480
[Laughter]

1082
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,800
okay fine yeah they get so they can't do

1083
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,640
stuff like that right

1084
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:26,319
yeah

1085
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:27,920
are they i'm really good at doing

1086
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:36,069
um now uh chris you

1087
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:39,200
wrote um a a piece recently

1088
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,599
um this month for the library liberation

1089
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,000
times which by the way uh it's your one

1090
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:46,079
year anniversary of the liberation times

1091
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:47,119
this month

1092
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:48,480
uh

1093
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,880
called it had the tantalizing title

1094
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,319
you're always good with your tantalizing

1095
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:56,880
headlines pandora's box is about to be

1096
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,599
opened as congress searches for ufo

1097
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,319
answers love that love that love that

1098
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:04,160
and in that you said in recent years

1099
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,119
previous versions of both acts um

1100
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,280
the national defense authorization act

1101
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:11,040
which we were just talking about and the

1102
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:15,760
intelligence authorization act the iaa

1103
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,480
for 2023. you said in recent years

1104
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,400
previous versions of both acts played

1105
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:22,720
significant roles as congress commenced

1106
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:27,200
its uap investigation iaa 2021

1107
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:29,920
established the navy's uap task force

1108
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:33,280
and ndaa 2022 established the current

1109
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,560
uap office for the moment named aimsoc

1110
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:38,800
which is a terrible name

1111
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:42,640
however you said its acts of 2023 may

1112
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,000
may be remembered by history as truly

1113
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,800
pivotal uh can you tell us why

1114
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:49,920
um

1115
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:52,400
yes yes and i think it has a large part

1116
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,079
to do with the immunity language um

1117
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:58,640
which has now been confirmed um

1118
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,599
and i think you know my sources are very

1119
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,680
very bullish in terms of

1120
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:06,000
how this may now pull out and play out

1121
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,839
sorry

1122
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:08,640
um and

1123
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:12,319
i think there is now a real will

1124
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:13,359
in

1125
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,200
um congress

1126
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,680
to find the origin of these craft

1127
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:20,480
because they keep on getting reports of

1128
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,240
you know uaps you see the videos

1129
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:26,160
here from the witnesses and all this

1130
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:27,680
stuff they're giving these big briefings

1131
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,640
and stuff but anyhow they're not given

1132
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:32,640
any information as to who the actors are

1133
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:34,839
behind the

1134
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:37,680
wheels a complaint yeah

1135
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:44,000
absolutely and i think um ousd in s has

1136
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,560
has historically not been very upfront

1137
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:49,040
with playing bornish issue hence why the

1138
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,960
zondo left that office um and it's been

1139
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:55,680
in control of amesog um you know until

1140
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:58,560
recently gary reed who was not proponing

1141
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,680
for uap was kind of like heading

1142
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,440
song as well which is unbelievable when

1143
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,000
you think about it so yeah i think yeah

1144
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,319
so i i think i think kind of like um in

1145
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,720
simplistic terms um congrats is just

1146
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,480
kind of like screw this

1147
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:14,400
there are legal programs they know a lot

1148
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:17,280
more let's go jump straight to that i

1149
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,400
mean you're saying you don't need to be

1150
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:20,400
origin or anything like that so if

1151
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:22,319
there's crash retrievals and stuff like

1152
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,760
that and we've got these crafts and

1153
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,599
legal programs let's just jump straight

1154
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:27,680
to that because

1155
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,880
the united states is not stupid um

1156
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,119
i mean obviously people got lots and

1157
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:35,119
lots of opinions on the government but

1158
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:36,640
they're not stupid i mean this stuff's

1159
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,920
been going on for 70 years now um i mean

1160
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,839
stuff you've uncovered sean i mean that

1161
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:43,440
tells you something else has been going

1162
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,040
on behind the scenes um you ain't etf um

1163
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,200
you know aid pain sog they've always

1164
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,520
kind of like been outside that circle

1165
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:53,040
you know they've never got into the

1166
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:54,640
inner circle

1167
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,839
or legal programs so i think that

1168
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,599
congress is just kind of like okay are

1169
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,760
you sdis you're not playing ball you're

1170
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:03,280
not really helping us here we're not

1171
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:05,839
making any ground so we're just going to

1172
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:08,319
jump straight to these legal programs

1173
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:11,920
and get the answers straight away um and

1174
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:14,319
yeah i i think it will uh it will be a

1175
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,920
huge story it could be like a cosmic

1176
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,240
kind of like watergate um if it is

1177
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:19,920
proven true that there are these legal

1178
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,960
programs which i'm pretty sure of um so

1179
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,400
i think that

1180
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,160
you know um

1181
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,119
the authorization acts um of 2023 will

1182
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,200
play a large part in getting us to that

1183
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:33,119
place um

1184
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,720
so i think this is gonna be like it's

1185
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,800
gonna be really really big um because

1186
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:38,800
we're not gonna be relying on

1187
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,560
staff within ousd on ins anymore um

1188
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:44,400
people we know haven't played ball so i

1189
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:45,839
think congress is now taking matters

1190
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,240
into its own hands and they want to talk

1191
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,920
to these um

1192
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,880
people who are going to provide

1193
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,240
testimony at least

1194
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,720
perhaps to them in private

1195
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:57,280
and get that information made public

1196
00:47:04,309 --> 00:46:58,560
somehow

1197
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,319
do you think that these programs are

1198
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:06,000
um

1199
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:07,760
are you saying these programs are most

1200
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:10,720
likely illegal government programs

1201
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:14,079
or private contractor programs or both

1202
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,839
could be both but the fact is that if

1203
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,400
there's no government oversight um from

1204
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:20,800
congressional committees

1205
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,359
i doubt they're legal

1206
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,839
in terms of having that transparency

1207
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:27,520
component about them

1208
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,559
especially

1209
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:30,079
if you've got kind of breakthrough

1210
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:31,440
technologies and stuff that could

1211
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,319
perhaps provide um the keys to solving

1212
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:36,000
climate change and key issues and stuff

1213
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,520
like that i think that's sort of the

1214
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,960
public address and interest to the

1215
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,640
united states government

1216
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,839
and if they're not getting information

1217
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,160
they don't have any oversight of that

1218
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,000
then that's a really really big problem

1219
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:48,640
if they're operating in secret without

1220
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,760
any knowledge of um portfolio holders in

1221
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:54,240
government and that that is really big

1222
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:55,760
especially if the president

1223
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:56,559
um

1224
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,870
which yeah we've we've heard a lot of

1225
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,640
different things on that what presidents

1226
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,640
are briefed or which aren't or whatever

1227
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:08,400
truth is i don't i don't know that we

1228
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,440
really know um but

1229
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,359
you know what you have i always just go

1230
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,359
back to the start when eric davis was

1231
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:17,119
quoted as saying off-world freaking

1232
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:20,960
vehicles you know

1233
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:22,880
chris mellon backs it up

1234
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:23,839
you know

1235
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,079
lou says the guy couldn't tell a lie

1236
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:28,240
everybody backs this guy up

1237
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:29,680
so like

1238
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,720
that has to be enough and could be what

1239
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,040
is propelling a lot of this action but

1240
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,240
that has to be enough to point someone

1241
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:41,040
uh to action you know in in the right

1242
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,319
place

1243
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,480
and enough to get language like this

1244
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,559
passed and enough to get hearings done

1245
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,880
and all that because i mean you're right

1246
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,800
skip all the nonsense go right to the

1247
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,280
vehicles right like

1248
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,599
show us the stuff man

1249
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:57,760
like if you bring one of those out it's

1250
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,480
over you know

1251
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:03,040
well and sean

1252
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,400
you just triggered something in me i

1253
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:05,760
think it's also important that we

1254
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,800
remember

1255
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:09,200
there's a high likelihood that some

1256
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:11,599
friendly faces are guiding this like the

1257
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:14,079
this legislation they get emails and

1258
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,079
have meetings and i'm one of the people

1259
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,240
that used to do the emails you know and

1260
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,800
try to guide things so i know people who

1261
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,319
are much more intelligent about these

1262
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:24,960
things than i am are absolutely in

1263
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:27,920
contact and i find it interesting that

1264
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,640
someone i i do not believe that rep

1265
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,720
gallagher found out about the wilson

1266
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:34,720
davis memo on his own

1267
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,960
and i find it very very interesting that

1268
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,720
we have these kind of parallel

1269
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,960
situations happening where the wilson

1270
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:44,319
davis memo was entered into the

1271
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,960
congressional record a month ago

1272
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,040
right and all of a sudden we have this

1273
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,440
immunity language i think that we have

1274
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,760
to look at this step back for a second

1275
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:56,000
of what's going on behind the scenes

1276
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:58,240
because there might be some connections

1277
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,839
well it depends who you ask because some

1278
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,160
people would say that ufo twitter's

1279
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,079
you know bizarre theories are driving

1280
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,870
i wish no

1281
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,280
actually no i don't wish

1282
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,960
is just watching twitter he's like oh

1283
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:14,559
man we got to get immunity going that

1284
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,760
sean guys said there's probably programs

1285
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:19,599
they're totally going up yeah

1286
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:20,319
no

1287
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:26,640
i was just thinking earlier today like

1288
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,680
uh

1289
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:29,599
they obviously have some idea of who

1290
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,599
would be willing to come forward and

1291
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,359
talk you know before they go ahead and

1292
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,359
do all this work of making this language

1293
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,119
because you know that's not an easy

1294
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,119
thing to do like uh

1295
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,760
absolutely it's uh bureaucracy is

1296
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:43,359
difficult

1297
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:44,319
yeah

1298
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:45,040
and

1299
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,559
chris made

1300
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,800
in his recent article chris you

1301
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,960
you pointed out the trans-medium

1302
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,559
language that's that's been kind of

1303
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,240
floating around and making it into

1304
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:58,079
things and that that yeah certainly

1305
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,760
doesn't seem like it's it's because

1306
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:01,440
people are reading ufo twitter and know

1307
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,920
about like say leaked phone calls from

1308
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,240
kit green or whatever it's probably it's

1309
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:08,480
probably from somewhere else um do you

1310
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,680
have anything that you'd like to say

1311
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:12,000
about that kind of trans medium language

1312
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,599
uh yes

1313
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:15,119
i mean if you look at the definition of

1314
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,040
like um uap within the ndaa 2022s it

1315
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:20,640
does kind of clearly state that it is

1316
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,160
trans medium however changing it to

1317
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:26,960
explicitly reference trans medium is a

1318
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:29,200
step forward in terms of kind of like

1319
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:32,880
public awareness education of what

1320
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,960
what we're dealing with and also i think

1321
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,319
just kind of like helping people come

1322
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:38,559
forward as well like you know say that

1323
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,760
um

1324
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,680
you can see something going to the ocean

1325
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,160
oh that's not um a uap because it's not

1326
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,000
aerial oh no but we're dealing with

1327
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,559
trans medium now so oh perhaps it is

1328
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:50,720
perhaps i should report that as a kind

1329
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:51,760
of like

1330
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,559
transgender cool um so stuff like that i

1331
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:56,160
think just like makes a difference

1332
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:58,000
although kind of like it's a

1333
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,920
technicality in terms of what's

1334
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:01,680
implicitly mentioned as a definition

1335
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:04,400
within nda 2022 i think it really really

1336
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:06,079
helps move the ball forwards as well to

1337
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,839
get it clear what a uap actually is um

1338
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,960
so i think

1339
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,720
trans media phenomena would be my

1340
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,800
favorite but i don't know we'll see what

1341
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,200
language um they come up with at the

1342
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:19,040
moment they've got kind of like language

1343
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:20,240
which i think

1344
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:20,880
in

1345
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:25,280
like that so aerospace

1346
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:26,960
and space

1347
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:29,040
and that that language really

1348
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:30,400
um

1349
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:33,680
gives corbell's story a lot more weight

1350
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:35,200
doesn't it like

1351
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:37,040
he's the one who kind of really brought

1352
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:39,680
the trans medium i mean not solely but

1353
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,040
he was one of the people who brought the

1354
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:42,960
whole trans medium thing to the

1355
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:46,240
foreground with his uh you know videos

1356
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:47,280
and

1357
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,319
the sphere going into the water right

1358
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:52,960
and the reports of witnesses um talking

1359
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,280
about transmedium right and language

1360
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,440
like this gets passed and is in the ndaa

1361
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:59,599
and yet people still come out and say

1362
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,760
he's full of it

1363
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,599
absolutely i think

1364
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,359
there's misconceptions about jeremy you

1365
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,280
know i work quite closely with him on

1366
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,800
that story getting that story out which

1367
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:10,720
is very very important i think in terms

1368
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:12,319
of that story is just there's just more

1369
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:14,240
questions and there are answers like

1370
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,000
jeremy isn't turning around saying oh

1371
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,079
it's definitely kind of like um trans

1372
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:20,559
medium um uap or anything like that he's

1373
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:22,319
just like questions you know okay why

1374
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,440
did they um say it was um you know

1375
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,280
drones for instance okay we've got

1376
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:30,000
sources on record saying actually

1377
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,760
looking back at it perhaps that wasn't

1378
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,079
the way to go about in terms of defining

1379
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:36,720
it um because we couldn't

1380
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:39,440
definitely say they were drones um the

1381
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,400
thing that was missing was origin um so

1382
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,720
the bass straight which was of being

1383
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,480
kind of like the origin

1384
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:48,400
i've got on good information they

1385
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,599
searched that and they didn't find

1386
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,440
a single drone on that ship

1387
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:53,280
it wouldn't have been hard it was

1388
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:57,040
dr by long long beach red or what was it

1389
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:01,920
yeah yes i think i think during um

1390
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,960
during a large portion of the harassment

1391
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:06,480
of us

1392
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:07,680
maybe ships

1393
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:09,760
that ship was adopted in yeah at long

1394
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:12,240
beach so it couldn't be i don't know we

1395
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,079
should search that that's kind of tough

1396
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:15,760
you know it's right

1397
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:18,640
we can just it's right by us uh

1398
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:21,599
you know let's just blame it on the ship

1399
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,720
but not search it yeah absolutely yeah

1400
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,880
and uh i think we just got like

1401
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,240
lots of questions

1402
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:30,000
in terms of that

1403
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:31,599
i'm very very wary of people who that

1404
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:34,160
who make definitive conclusions it's

1405
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,680
kind of like actually one's gonna have

1406
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,359
all the answers and i think what we want

1407
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,359
to really get across that's true is that

1408
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:41,839
there are more questions to answer in

1409
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:43,760
terms of that and i asked

1410
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,000
the pentagon i said look can you confirm

1411
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,000
where the origin of the so-called drones

1412
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:50,480
were they can't do that they said that

1413
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,079
to me so still um still an open story

1414
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:56,319
but i wouldn't i wouldn't kind of like

1415
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,359
um

1416
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,280
i wouldn't put all my money behind this

1417
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,720
story and say it's definitely kind of

1418
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,880
like trans medium ufos it's just one of

1419
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,040
it's just a good example of kind of like

1420
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:07,119
a case where they've got plenty of kind

1421
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:08,720
of information out there but they're

1422
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,520
still unable to determine the origin of

1423
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:13,680
the craft and that's quite completely

1424
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,960
for that

1425
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,119
that is being honest what uh drives a

1426
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,280
lot of the secrecy like the last thing

1427
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,599
that the the you know the military

1428
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,920
establishments wants to admit is that

1429
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:24,960
there's

1430
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,680
um you know applying objects transmedium

1431
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,839
objects that they can't identify going

1432
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:31,839
in their restricted airspace whether

1433
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,760
it's a drone or not they don't want to

1434
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:35,599
admit that to people you know because

1435
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:38,319
that's a huge vulnerability like uh was

1436
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:40,000
some of the documents i posted not too

1437
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:43,760
long ago was back in 1952 yeah but um

1438
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:46,079
you know it said in

1439
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,000
the air force's paperwork and their very

1440
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:50,079
own words and their administrative

1441
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:51,520
paperwork that they could only

1442
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,319
positively identify seven percent

1443
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:56,160
you know but that's not what they tell

1444
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:57,680
the public they don't go and say oh no

1445
00:56:02,630 --> 00:55:59,440
we can only positively identify seven

1446
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,640
percent of these now they say that 20

1447
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,720
remain unidentified because the rest

1448
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:06,400
they have to guess

1449
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,799
balloon or probably balloon yada yada

1450
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:12,400
you know and that's exactly what they're

1451
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,240
doing here with these drones

1452
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:16,880
you know or the uavs or ufos with the

1453
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:20,319
2019 events they're putting together

1454
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,920
probables you know based on uh prosaic

1455
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:25,440
answers right

1456
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:29,520
that is probably a uav probable drone

1457
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:32,079
you know but what they're not saying

1458
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:33,200
which is

1459
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,400
what they're really afraid to say

1460
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,319
because it makes them vulnerable is we

1461
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,480
can't positively identify it we don't

1462
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:40,160
know

1463
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,280
absolutely that is the crux you can't

1464
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:45,839
they're unable to positively identify

1465
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:47,760
what's going on and i think a key part

1466
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,520
of this as well and in terms of the

1467
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:51,040
trans medium language is actually having

1468
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,400
a joined up approach you know like

1469
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,040
you're a sailor you see something um go

1470
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,599
into the water um it just came from the

1471
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,760
sky okay then you need space command

1472
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:01,440
space force to curve like feeding did

1473
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:03,280
they track anything coming in did the

1474
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:04,960
air force see anything coming to the

1475
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:08,640
atmosphere okay and then we go to um no

1476
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:11,359
is it noah um

1477
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:15,599
um the oceanic agency oceanic people see

1478
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,079
um and also the us navy as well in terms

1479
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:20,640
of its submarine um sensors under water

1480
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:23,119
sensors so okay so

1481
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,119
just need that

1482
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:26,880
and that takes four months to do all

1483
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:30,710
yeah

1484
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,160
and i i think that's another qualm of um

1485
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,079
politicians as well you need that joined

1486
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:38,319
up approach and it needs to be done more

1487
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:40,640
efficiently um there needs to be good

1488
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:42,319
communication going on there and there

1489
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:44,880
needs to be kind of like an operator

1490
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:47,599
get that going a vehicle you know so um

1491
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:49,760
yeah it needs to be a lot quicker i

1492
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,000
think and um i think katie you're pretty

1493
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:54,319
aware of the inefficiencies and time it

1494
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,520
takes things to get done in a

1495
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:57,680
bureaucracy

1496
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,839
unfortunately so

1497
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,920
yeah i worked on a joint army navy

1498
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,599
program and anytime you have more than

1499
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,000
one branch or more than one agency just

1500
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:08,240
be prepared for if you thought dmv

1501
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,720
bureaucracy was bad try doubling it

1502
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,559
right and that's every time you add a

1503
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:14,319
new player

1504
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,200
yeah that's extraordinary now it is the

1505
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:18,960
first that you just brought up something

1506
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,799
just by having a little crosstalk there

1507
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:22,960
is that you two haven't as we said you

1508
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:25,359
two haven't had a conversation like this

1509
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,960
uh before right just a couple dm's so um

1510
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:30,720
it'd also be cool to throw a wild card

1511
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:33,200
in there of uh do you have any questions

1512
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:34,559
for each other or anything that you'd

1513
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,079
like to say to each other chris and

1514
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:38,160
katie

1515
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:39,599
i i just want to say

1516
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,400
um i think it goes about saying i i just

1517
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:44,880
said ma like everything you you've done

1518
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:46,240
and um

1519
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:48,799
i i i want to ask how did you get into

1520
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,400
this um topic i know that you

1521
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,160
i think you said you had an interview or

1522
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:55,839
something with uh with melon at one

1523
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,839
point or there was some kind of meeting

1524
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:59,760
that he was in and you were in i thought

1525
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:01,599
that quite interesting yeah

1526
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:04,880
yeah so um most people found out about

1527
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:08,559
me because i arranged a private event

1528
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,119
with chris mellon to come speak to

1529
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,200
um basically a foreign policy fellowship

1530
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:15,359
i'm a part of um

1531
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,520
but i found out about it because i

1532
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:18,960
was a

1533
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,480
foreign policy volunteer on the biting

1534
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:23,040
campaign um i interned for him way back

1535
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,880
back in the day um and

1536
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:28,960
yeah we were given the opportunity to

1537
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:30,559
meet with a lot of like senior officials

1538
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,000
as kind of like professional development

1539
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:34,240
and one of them was john podesta who

1540
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,920
obviously had his own thoughts and

1541
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,760
feelings and recommended leslie kane's

1542
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:39,599
ufo's book and that's kind of how i dove

1543
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,240
in and i was really frustrated because

1544
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:43,920
you know i've worked

1545
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:46,799
tangentially to this national security

1546
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,480
field for my you know a decade now and

1547
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:52,559
all of my friends are people who are

1548
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:53,359
like

1549
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,040
constantly talking about this kind of

1550
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,200
stuff and anytime i would bring it up it

1551
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,119
was just crickets and i was getting

1552
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:01,280
really annoyed and so i basically said

1553
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:03,200
okay well then i'm gonna force you guys

1554
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,960
to listen to christopher mellon because

1555
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:06,640
maybe you'll listen to him because he

1556
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,599
has an impressive title and whatnot so

1557
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:11,760
um i basically harassed chris mellon on

1558
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:14,480
linkedin until he agreed to be friends

1559
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:16,880
with me um which is kind of my approach

1560
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:19,599
in life in general so that's how i ended

1561
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:20,799
up here

1562
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:23,839
um but yeah no honestly chris like i'm

1563
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:24,640
just

1564
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:27,119
it ditto to you man i'm so impressed

1565
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:28,559
with what you do i mean you literally

1566
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:32,240
created your own reporting um

1567
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:33,520
uh

1568
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:35,440
venued because this wasn't getting

1569
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,799
enough coverage i mean i don't think

1570
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:38,880
people realize how much work

1571
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,480
goes into that um day in and day out i

1572
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:44,160
ran my own nonprofit for a while and i

1573
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:46,160
know that like it's not a nine to five

1574
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:48,400
you're never off the clock so just

1575
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:50,559
massive appreciation to you and what

1576
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:52,720
you're doing keep it up and i'm so happy

1577
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,799
to finally put a face

1578
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:56,960
live to the name

1579
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:59,440
oh thank you thank you so much i really

1580
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,839
appreciate it i had another question

1581
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,079
actually what's the um relationship

1582
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:06,160
between like john podesta

1583
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:09,200
and joe biden and how do you think

1584
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:12,160
um joe biden would approach this issue

1585
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:13,760
are you able to like read into it just

1586
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:15,680
from his character

1587
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,559
so

1588
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:18,319
i mean i don't know much much about

1589
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:21,040
podesta i know that um i mean obviously

1590
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:22,799
he was like white house chief of staff

1591
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,880
in the clinton era

1592
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:26,640
and so he was very deeply enmeshed in

1593
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:28,720
the clinton world the biting campaign

1594
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:30,559
their foreign policy volunteers were

1595
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:32,960
basically a mixture of people who were

1596
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:34,640
like really high up like that but

1597
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:37,040
couldn't quit their jobs to like join

1598
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:39,200
the campaign and then people

1599
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,319
you know much much different like me who

1600
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:44,400
you know maybe had worked on other

1601
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:46,079
competitors campaigns and were trying to

1602
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:48,400
kind of cohesively contribute and rally

1603
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:49,760
around the nominee

1604
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:51,680
um so i really can't speak much to

1605
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:54,799
podesta um in terms of

1606
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:56,079
joe

1607
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:57,680
i would say that the biggest thing to

1608
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:00,240
understand about him is he's very

1609
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:03,280
he has a lot of respect for senate norms

1610
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:05,440
and procedures and processes right he

1611
01:02:12,270 --> 01:02:09,520
spent 30 years in the senate um and so

1612
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:12,280
he's going to take things very

1613
01:02:18,829 --> 01:02:16,319
procedurally based um which i think is

1614
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:18,839
reflective of how we're going in in

1615
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:21,119
congress um

1616
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:24,000
however he also has a wild streak i mean

1617
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:24,720
i

1618
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:37,760
speeches because you would

1619
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:39,039
we would write

1620
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:40,960
well not me but the speechwriters would

1621
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,280
write a speech for him and then he'd go

1622
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:45,520
and just start spewing off you know the

1623
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:47,760
unemployment rate in some small town and

1624
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,200
the top employers and this and that and

1625
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,440
you'd have all of us going no no no stay

1626
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:53,760
on script and then we'd check it and

1627
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:55,760
he'd be right it was just like this wild

1628
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:58,079
thing the man has an encyclopedic

1629
01:03:01,829 --> 01:03:00,559
memory um so

1630
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,839
you know i think it's really going to

1631
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:03,440
depend on

1632
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:06,480
if he can get enough advisors who are

1633
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,319
just constantly pushing this in front of

1634
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:11,280
him um so i look at who's on the nsc

1635
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:13,920
which kind of rotates um basically

1636
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:15,520
people are detailed from other agencies

1637
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:18,559
so you'll have cia folks dod folks and

1638
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:20,000
they kind of rotate in and out on a

1639
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:21,839
yearly basis so i'd pay attention to

1640
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:23,599
that and i think that would probably be

1641
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:25,599
your biggest indicator of where things

1642
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:27,760
will go at the presidential level

1643
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:29,599
i think the national security council

1644
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:31,520
probably has a lot more to do with this

1645
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:33,920
stuff than we'd imagine if you were to

1646
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:37,520
ask me i know it's a long way from 1953

1647
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:38,960
but uh

1648
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:41,599
they had a huge hand in the roberts

1649
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:42,559
panel

1650
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:45,039
in initiating that secrecy to begin with

1651
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:46,079
so

1652
01:03:49,829 --> 01:03:47,680
who knows

1653
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:49,839
but uh that's a that's a lot of leaders

1654
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:51,119
from a lot of different departments

1655
01:04:07,349 --> 01:03:56,069
but yeah so

1656
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:08,950
people are watching like wait have i

1657
01:04:10,829 --> 01:04:10,160
frozen

1658
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:10,839
no

1659
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:18,160
[Laughter]

1660
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:20,319
that's good that's a good one

1661
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:21,839
i think that had more to do with pbs

1662
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:24,480
than nasa but it could be wrong

1663
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:25,440
yeah

1664
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:26,640
sure

1665
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:27,920
um

1666
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,880
do you have any questions sean for for

1667
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:32,640
chris and katie i just want to thank you

1668
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:35,280
both for coming on i mean you two are

1669
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:38,880
very valuable um uh people in this

1670
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,920
community and in this push for

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01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:43,680
disclosure

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01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:45,200
and um

1673
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:47,200
you know we'd be lost without you you

1674
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:50,400
know i can only make wisecracks so long

1675
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:53,359
until we need the smart people to come

1676
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:55,520
and help out

1677
01:05:00,309 --> 01:04:58,160
you know i really really appreciative of

1678
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:00,319
you two doing that um i think you're

1679
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:02,640
brilliant and bring a lot to the table

1680
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:04,640
and i'm just so grateful that you took

1681
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:06,480
time out of your day to spend it with

1682
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:07,520
jay and i

1683
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,559
so yeah

1684
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:10,880
absolutely completely agreed you you're

1685
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:14,319
both uh super inspiring i mean uh katie

1686
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:16,319
was what uh the colin initiative just

1687
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:18,559
this week that's absolutely incredible

1688
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:21,039
and uh and chris the recent series of

1689
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:23,920
articles are absolutely astonishing and

1690
01:05:28,630 --> 01:05:26,480
it's really great to see uh how you're

1691
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:28,640
helping to push the conversation forward

1692
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:29,440
um

1693
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:34,240
next for katie howland and what's up

1694
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:37,200
next for chris sharp

1695
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:41,440
what's up next well i

1696
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:43,119
i'm looking forward to the senate

1697
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,400
language uh expect some more annoying

1698
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,720
calls for me to make more annoying calls

1699
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:50,640
to your potentially annoying members of

1700
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:53,359
congress no i'm just kidding um

1701
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,799
yeah so i'm looking forward to that and

1702
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,720
then personally

1703
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:58,720
i have to go take my dog for a walk

1704
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:01,119
because she's being a needy little drama

1705
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:03,440
queen

1706
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:04,960
that's what's going on for me in my

1707
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:09,589
hello

1708
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:13,119
yeah yeah i've got a um an incoming

1709
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:15,280
story but it's dependent on when susan

1710
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:18,160
goff's going to respond to me um won't

1711
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:19,440
give away any details at the moment

1712
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:20,960
until this will confirm but that should

1713
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:23,440
be quite cool um

1714
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:24,960
and then i've got and that will be a

1715
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:27,440
liberation client's piece um and then

1716
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:29,440
i've got like a big story that i'm

1717
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:30,960
working like a big project kind of like

1718
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:34,160
history um the daily mail um

1719
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,079
again i can't go into any details

1720
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,079
apologies but um that should be pretty

1721
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:40,640
cool when it comes out but a large part

1722
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:41,920
of this is just verifying the

1723
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:43,200
information

1724
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:44,079
um

1725
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:46,160
just in terms of the questions we need

1726
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:48,000
to ask in terms of stories and what we

1727
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:50,240
can answer we can't answer

1728
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:52,079
it takes a lot of time you have to

1729
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,799
verify the sources and stuff so um yeah

1730
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:56,640
you don't verify you just throw stuff

1731
01:07:02,789 --> 01:06:59,039
out there you don't ask anybody

1732
01:07:04,870 --> 01:07:02,799
you just don't even don't just get it

1733
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:04,880
sean don't feed the trolls please

1734
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:06,799
just get it

1735
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:08,480
people oh people don't realize that that

1736
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:09,839
you put a lot of time and effort to make

1737
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:11,280
sure what you put out is accurate and

1738
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:13,280
time and time again it shows that it is

1739
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:14,960
accurate just like nasa getting into the

1740
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:17,359
uab game you posted something about that

1741
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:19,200
i think weeks before and then lo and

1742
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:22,000
behold here it is you know like and

1743
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,559
those are reasons to to trust the things

1744
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:26,160
you're doing and

1745
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,079
look at your website and take notice

1746
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:30,400
because you put the time in uh to make

1747
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:31,920
sure you're putting out relevant

1748
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:33,039
accurate

1749
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:35,680
um and needed information

1750
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:37,920
thank you yeah there's a lot of unwell

1751
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:40,480
people out there and um unfortunately

1752
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:43,039
this topic attracts a lot of people that

1753
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,599
do have some complicated

1754
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:47,039
issues and

1755
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:48,799
sadly some of them work for national

1756
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,359
publication international publications

1757
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:53,280
and i think their employees should be

1758
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:54,960
taking action against and the way that

1759
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:57,760
they act on social media bullying people

1760
01:08:01,829 --> 01:08:00,400
um and in some cases perhaps looking

1761
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:01,839
after their welfare because it seems

1762
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:03,520
like they're unwell we weren't doing

1763
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:05,200
many but i think you know who i'm on

1764
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:07,280
about here can you come do a show with

1765
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:09,920
me about uh once an hour monday through

1766
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:12,880
friday then i may be able to

1767
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:15,520
put my day job

1768
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:17,440
and mental health is showing you like a

1769
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:19,759
major issue

1770
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:22,080
and it's savage on social media as well

1771
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:23,520
and some people

1772
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:25,600
representing big organizations should

1773
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:27,759
should do better and those organizations

1774
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:29,679
that they work for that pay them they

1775
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:32,159
should be taking action as well and

1776
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:33,839
disappointing when that doesn't happen

1777
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,679
it's it's not okay to cheat on the

1778
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:37,359
details just because it's something you

1779
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:42,390
um

1780
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:44,400
any other last words from you jay or

1781
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,759
anybody else

1782
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:47,520
i'm just really happy you both were able

1783
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:49,839
to make it today and i'm i'm so happy to

1784
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:52,080
see you always and it's it's great to

1785
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:55,120
have this uh configuration this week uh

1786
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,600
it's it's cool to have like uh katie

1787
01:09:02,390 --> 01:08:59,040
doing uh uh

1788
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:02,400
have katie for a bit of a victory lap um

1789
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,199
with the nba language and it's wonderful

1790
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:07,440
to have kind of a preemptive victory lap

1791
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:10,159
for chris for his two articles that that

1792
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:12,159
we don't even quite uh have fully

1793
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:14,080
fleshed out can you give us like three

1794
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:15,839
words that are in them you don't even

1795
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:17,279
have to tell us what they're about just

1796
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:18,640
three words

1797
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:34,550
and that note

1798
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:35,440
thank you

1799
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:37,839
dude thanks we'll do this again soon

1800
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:39,679
thank you so much i've really enjoyed

1801
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:40,880
this thank you

1802
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:43,199
thank you hi guys thanks for having us

1803
01:09:46,829 --> 01:09:45,279
thank you

1804
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:46,839
all right

1805
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:50,319
fantastic uh what good vibes they both

1806
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:51,920
have such good vibes

1807
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,719
yeah i really really enjoy uh both those

1808
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:56,560
individuals how are you doing man you

1809
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:59,199
good good yeah i'm doing great i thought

1810
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:01,360
that was a great show i love those two

1811
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:03,520
dearly i think they're fantastic

1812
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:05,760
additions to not only the show but the

1813
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,120
community

1814
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:09,920
um and i love talking to you and having

1815
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:12,080
our wednesdays and doing this it's it's

1816
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:14,320
uh the highlight of my week

1817
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:17,199
over and over again too it's mine too i

1818
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:18,880
i i love hanging out with you i love

1819
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:20,800
hanging out with everybody in the chat

1820
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:22,560
uh and to

1821
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,719
to all of you in the chat uh

1822
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:26,560
to all every anybody that's gonna be

1823
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:28,719
watching in this in the future uh hello

1824
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:31,600
from the past and uh we we really

1825
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:34,080
appreciate you uh thanks for tuning in

1826
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,960
and helping uh push the ball forward uh

1827
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:38,719
continuing this conversation with us

1828
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:40,880
it's it's super impactful and means a

1829
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:43,760
lot to to me as well for sure it really

1830
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,080
does it's the support from from y'all in

1831
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:48,400
the chat the people that like the video

1832
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,719
and watch the show and are positive

1833
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:52,560
um with the shares and all that stuff

1834
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:55,040
that that help us

1835
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,960
um continue and stay

1836
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,640
confident about what we're doing and

1837
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:00,960
that we're bringing some value so

1838
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,440
it's very important that you don't leave

1839
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:07,920
oh yeah you continue to be positive and

1840
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:09,600
and share it with with friends and all

1841
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:12,640
that stuff so i really appreciate it

1842
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:14,000
yeah so

1843
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:15,520
yeah it's a great community that we have

1844
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:17,760
developing here and it's only going to

1845
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:20,480
grow over time it's awesome so yeah

1846
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:23,280
that being said

1847
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:24,560
we will

1848
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:27,120
see you later see you next time

1849
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:29,199
absolutely all right see you very soon

1850
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:31,120
and oh and i love this outro because i

1851
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:32,560
love the intro i assume that you're

1852
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:34,400
going to play the same one i this is

1853
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:35,760
like my favorite

1854
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:38,320
it's my favorite intro outro that i

1855
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:39,840
think that you've done so far it's so

1856
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:43,360
good it's a twist on the intro

1857
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:45,520
okay

1858
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:47,440
i'm psyched you've seen it you've seen

1859
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:48,800
it already all right

1860
01:11:54,710 --> 01:11:51,199
thanks guys thanks so much love you man

1861
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:04,630
[Music]

1862
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:06,840
that we think there are

1863
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:09,440
oceans in their oceans

1864
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:11,920
there is very likely to be life

1865
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:23,030
with all due respect to the air force i

1866
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,400
believe that some of them will prove to

1867
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,640
be of interplanetary origin

1868
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:28,480
during a three-year investigation i

1869
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:30,719
found that many police have described

1870
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:33,280
objects of substance and high speed in

1871
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,280
one case polish reported their plane was

1872
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:37,199
buffeted by an object would pass them at

1873
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:38,960
500 miles an hour and what we're going

1874
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,120
to try to do to

1875
01:12:45,850 --> 01:12:43,199
make sure we

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01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:45,860
have a better process for identifying

1877
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:47,679
[Music]

1878
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:48,719
these

1879
01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:51,530
phenomena

1880
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:01,600
[Music]

1881
01:13:05,090 --> 01:13:02,560
issues

1882
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:05,100
as

1883
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:14,080
[Music]

1884
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:16,719
there's footage and records of